SnB success story

[GhostChemist]

Was the final product analytically tested by standard test-strips, Simon's reagent or other method?

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Was analyzed by me straight to the bloodstream after washing. Unbreakable confidence. I knew I nailed the reaction so I wasn't worried in the least. Cleaned it very well. I haven't been able to make anything that looked as clean as that crank did since. I can assure you it was a success though, I was up for a few days ;]

I couldn't figure out how to get these videos to upload before.You can tell it's the 'red hot' cook because the mash is pink. I forgot to wash the coating off. I know people wanna see this stuff badly! I had some other videos of SnB action, I'm still trying to figure it out. Maybe I can charge for a peep show?

I wanted to add these here and bump this post because of that other little asshole that posted all those "SnB Remastered Proper Birch My Way" bullshit trying to pretend like he did this in a RBF without any pressure and whatever else and "achieves %95-99 purity.". It just irks me because I risked it all to put these myths to the test or to rest for everyone, to separate fact from fiction and give everyone who wants to try a place to start and a fighting chance.

THIS is one of the recipes people SHOULD see for SNB. Not these other pretenders. Don't be fooled guys! If I can do it in a glass bottle safely with these portions, nobody should be scared to try with %60 reagent portions in a plastic 2 liter. You should not need to vent the pressure for the entire cook - so you shouldn't have to worry about catching a hot ether ammonia lye slurry in the face.

 

[GhostChemist]

Very interesting and important biotest experience! Nice!
But the question of composition of final product very intereting too. Have you ever thought that it could be a mixture of meth with PSE regarding the effects after use?

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Well, my first attempt I don't remember exactly, but I don't think I even understood I was supposed to bronze the Li or what that looked like. I Just threw everything together and waited an hour. I don't think it even reacted
I was hell bent on getting high so I would have been happy with just about anything I got back if I caught a buzz. I was such a New Bee when I first joined! I had everything I needed to do the SnB in a certain way. This involved water titrating with 30 year old HCl and blueberry soaked coffee filters for pH.

I actually got something back that wasn't toxic or lethal. It was like a waxy goo... I tried smoking a bit - and.. no thanks and then eating a bit. It was definitely shit. I believe I just sent my pseudo in on a field trip with reagents and turned it into base insitu and titrated that and ...yeah. I don't think I even got the pH right so it wasn't even salt. I was unaware of the gak at the time also. Caffeine like buzz anyhow, rather disappointed. That was when I got the initial understanding and broke the comfort zone, though. Excellent learning experience. Impossible, I think, for a non chemist to SnB first attempt. Second try though? I Studied like hell and owned it. I'm actually rather proud of that. I don't think too many others could pull it off.

With that successful cook, though, (This one up here)
It is hard to say if any pseudo was un reacted. The only way I might be able to tell is by smoking, I think by the residue? I don't think you would notice a much of an effect alongside the meth, other than maybe your nose clears up. I really ought to teach myself how to do "TLC" I believe it is called? So I can gauge the progress of the reaction... Is this possible to do at home with minimal stuff?

I don't believe that is a common issue with the birch reductions, that the pseudo is mostly unreacted.
With 30-40 minutes , the pseudo is based in situ and after the Li solvates completely, it should be plenty enough time.. They say you have to worry about over reduction, if anything, with these. I haven't been able to meet anyone with any professional understanding of the mechanics to shed any light or explain. I would love to know how and why?

 

[GhostChemist]

Thanks for detailed info of your experience! This information will be very important for analytical analysis of this process!

For the apply TLC in the home lab you can buy TLC plates such as "TLC Silica gel 60 F254 Aluminium sheets by Merck or similar" and UV-lamp with wavelength 254 nm

In many our videos show the technique of TLC

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Thank you guys!
I couldn't have done it without you! Seriously!.. I picked up an org chem book 15 years ago. Life went on I found myself in a shitty place in 23' and I decided I was either going to teach myself to reduce pseudo or die trying. I started trying to look up Uncle Fester because I didn't know where else to start... and somehow I found BB with the cookin' crank video. That was EXACTLY what I needed.. I only wish it was a lot sooner.

This was my second attempt, after all. This was never meant to be a finished process. I want to stake my claim to fame on a big high quality SnB that can be copies easily. I really wish the stuff was more easily available because I really would like to help people that are stuck and only can use what is available to them.. I really want to make an optimized recipe, with balanced equations, no waste, the cleanest, the safest, the fastest ....and most importantly best yield and quality you could ask for. "The One Ounce, One Pot, One hour SnB" !
... One hour?.... Pff.. Yeah right! Well, if we are just talking the reaction time... it sounds good though...

 

[slimshady]

Diethyl ether, VM&P Naphtha, Toluene. Choose one or need all of them? I can't get diethyl ether, are there any alternatives?

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I forgot to mention, but maybe you figured it out anyway. This post assumes you are already familiar with all the other available SnB recipe teks and understand them on a basic level. Especially the one by/from Doude and Flatline. There are a few others too, but these are the important ones. There are things I left unsaid, because they can be found in these teks, so you will miss out if I don't catch you up.

There is a reason for using all of the solvents together, but you can choose just one or even two. I'm not sure anything substitures for diethyl ether in this context. All we need is a non polar hydrocarbon. Ideally we wouldn't use diethyl ether alone until we are comfortable because of the particular mechanism. Diethyl ether dissolves the Li, on its own, I believe in a way that is favorable because it frees the electron, which is picked up by the ammonia and needed for the reduction. If so, that might change things but not really. Same difference if you still need ammonia and all the other reagents, it only serves to speed up the reaction, I guess.

To put it simply. Ether - fast reaction. Naptha - Medium. Toluene - slower.
The rate at which the Li is bronzed in these solvents.
Ethers go fast. Aliphatics are mid range. Aromatics are slower.
The aromatic helps create a fail safe for the ether in case of over dissolution of the Li according to another user. If we have the ammonia there to hold the electron, I think it is OK regardless.
Now that I understand this all alot better, it is not very important which solvent you go for. Some solvents will be better than others. Any non polar hydrocarbon will work. You want to have petroleum distillates aka Naptha as your main solvent. Add a splash of aromatic to it if you'd like. It helps to wash and dry everything for prep but it isn't completely necessary that they are dry. Cleaning your reagents means you get a superior product, washing the product at the end isn't the same. Think- perfect practice makes perfect. Give everything your best shot and you will progress and improve fast.

This is a dry reaction. So it is extremely important there is no extra moisture present in the reaction vessel. You actually do need a few ml of H2O to get the reaction moving however.