Question Kako donosna je sinteza amfetamina (speed) na evropskem trgu, ki se začne s predhodnikom P2NP?

antrax

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Izračune kemikalij sem opravil v skladu s kemijsko sintezo amfetamina, ki je dokumentirana v naslednjem videoučnem gradivu;
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/
Če je samo za pridobitev 1 kg speeda potrebnih 2016,19 g predhodnika (P2NP) in samo 2 kg predhodnika staneta 570 EUR, je potrebnih tudi 3474,8 g natrijevega borihidrida, samo s tema dvema kemikalijama je to več kot 1.000 EUR
 

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Masovni dobavitelji večinoma in pogosto razrežejo en kilogram z 2-3 kilogrami kofeina ali drugih stvari, potem je to dobičkonosno.
 

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To je dobičkonosno že prej.

Z vrhunskimi nabavnimi cenami je mogoče amfetaminski sulfat proizvesti za 300 EUR na kilogram, pri nabavi v Evropi (NE kitajskih dobaviteljev) in prodati za 1.800 na debelo.

600 % se mi zdi donosno. Brez rezanja ali sranja
 
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razumljivo, vendar tudi, da denar govori.
Hvala za vaš odgovor, načelnik.
 

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Denar govori! Manjšim kemikom lahko pride prav, da se združijo pri večjih naročilih in tako dobijo dobre pogoje za prodajo v razsutem stanju.

To vam lahko omogočijo eskont in forumi, kot je Breaking Bad!
 

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Pomeni, da je večina izdelkov, ki prihajajo na primer z nizozemske, večinoma izdelanih s strani veliko kemikov, povsod je veliko razredčenih ali propadlih stvari. ne spomnim se, kdaj sem v nizozemskem amsterdamu lahko dobil nerazredčene stvari, celo a-olje (freebase) razredčijo z alkoholom in prodajajo na litre.
 

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To je to, ampak hipoma so razmere s kokainom precej dobre (razmerje med ceno in kakovostjo), droge, kot sta mdma in amf, pa so precej smetiščne.
 

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Žalostno je, da se večina amfetamina, ki se prodaja v NL, prodaja kot mokra pasta, ki je močno narezana s kofeinom. To žal ni izvirni izdelek, kot je amfetaminov sulfat.
 

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Ja, ljudje bi morali sploh nehati prodajati pasto.

Če bi prodajalci na darknetu nehali dobavljati pasto in bi se osredotočili samo na sulfat, dekstro in tako naprej, bi kakovost zelo hitro postala noro dobra.
 

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Back in the day when i was a supplier myself, i bought my product in a little more volume then i do these days.
I wanted to stay small tho, so 100g each time was enough.. that costed me 400 at first, but as my supplier moved up the ladder (i think) the price dropped to 160.
That is 1.60 a gram, and i sold for 7,50/10 euro a gram... for me it covered the costs of my own use, and my daily groceries.. bills i payed from my daily job salary, and saved quite alot of money..

Today i have 2 vendors where i can buy for my own use, each with different prices.. by #1 i pay 35 euros for 5 grams, the other one 40/50 euros for the same amount.
#1 has stuff that varies in quality, #2 always top notch quality... not 73% if it is amfetamine sulphate, but if i have to guess close to 65% purity..
(i know both are a bit expensive)

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thing is.. personally i thought the product i got when i was a supplier myself was severely fluctuating in quality, even from the same batch (as i've been told when i complained) It could be really good (and how the stuff appeared and smelled (i know, should not be any smell) was good as well) to almost no effect (shitty soaking wet crap, as viscous as milk, which dried up as a rock hard chalky matter, and burned as a motherfucker)

With the latter i also received complaints from my clients.. so when i got this milky stuff, i decided to do some kitchen experiments with it..
First the normal acetone/isopropyl washing methods and water dissolve test after drying it, but out of 100gr these methods left me with 30 to 40gr of product after...
That was too much to cover the costs, and i did not want to sell the milky stuff anymore, so on a smaller scale for my own testing purposes i did some wild tests with it:

What happens if i would dry that milky stuff on a metal non-rvs sheet? the sheet turned solid black on the spot where i smeared it out. so with no chemistry background at all, i guessed that sulfuric (or any what was in it) acid was the culprit here. so i sprankled some baking soda on it, to even it out a bit.
This caused the sheet not to turn black anymore indeed, but the product was still shit.

Sometimes my supplier gave a bag of caffeine powder with it "so i could cut it myself" when the product was of good quality.
I didn't like to cut the stuff i sold to my clients, so i had quite alot of caffeine still laying around, and sprankled some of that on the shitty stuff which i also sprankled baking soda on.

At first it seemed not to do anything, (and i didn't think some reaction would took place either), so i scooped everything up, and stored it in a plastic container..
Next morning it turned bright orange, and lumped together as big chunks.. I tried to ask it on several fora's that covered chemistry back then, but most of the time i got laughed at, or an instaban because i was talking about amphetamine.

To this day, i still don't know what happened when it turned orange (and it seemed better in quality as well, so i gave it to my closest clients, told them what i did with it, and they confirmed the boost in quality, but disliked the color of it.. (like they should)

So.. this could be the caffeine we felt after it turned orange, but what would have caused it to turn orange.. a color change is a reaction, right?
 

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Iz Twitterja G.Pattona

#Amfetamin je ena najbolj priljubljenih sintetičnih drog, ki jo je precej enostavno izdelati doma v kuhinji ali garaži. Izračunajmo, koliko bo stal en kilogram te snovi v smislu stroškov reagentov, če amfetamin dobimo z redukcijo Al/Hg #P2NP.

Stroški reagentov so bili vzeti iz #BB_Listings (#BB_Forum).
1 kg 1-fenil-2-nitropropena (#P2NP); - 250 EUR
10 kg izopropil alkohola (IPA); - 90 EUR (5 l - 45 EUR)
5 kg ledene ocetne kisline (AcOH); - 75 EUR (1 l - 15 EUR)
1,2 kg aluminija (predrezani listi Al folije); - 18 €
10 g nitrata živega srebra (II) (Hg(NO3)2); - 65 €
5 kg Natrijev hidroksid (NaOH); - 45 € (cena: od 1 kg/ 9,00 €)
5 kg acetona; - 16 € (iz trgovine Leroy Merlin)
200 g žveplove kisline (H2SO4); - 18 € (1000 ml - 89 €)

Po obračunu stroškov reagentov dobimo 580 € za 1 kg #amfetamina.
Iz 1 kg #P2NP lahko dobimo približno ~700 g amfetamin sulfata. Stroški za 1 kg amfetamin sulfata torej znašajo približno ~800 €.

Pri teh izračunih nismo upoštevali potrošnega materiala, kot so brizge, pH papir, filtrirni papir, čistila za steklovino, rokavice itd.

Seznam potrebnih reagentov je izračunan samo za 1 kg #P2NP.

V primeru desetkratnega povečanja količine kupljenih reagentov se lahko stroški sinteze zmanjšajo za 50 %.

Laboratoriji, ki kupujejo metrske tone sinteznih reagentov in uporabljajo industrijsko opremo, zmanjšajo stroške #amfetamin sulfata na približno 150 EUR za 1 kg.

Vir @G.Patton
 
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Natrijev borohidrid?
 

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To so reagenti za sintezo prek Al/Hg.
Natrijev borohidrid se uporablja pri poti p2np/NaBH4/CuCl2, zato se skupna cena razlikuje
 
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Dobra analiza cen :)

S cenami za razsute izdelke bi se strinjal, 300-150EUR je zelo dober cenovni razpon, ki si ga je treba prizadevati, in prepričan sem, da bi bilo to mogoče tudi pri nabavi izdelkov v Evropi, brez kitajskih dobaviteljev.
 

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Glede poti NaBH4/CuCL2 lahko mirno rečem, da bo s to potjo mogoče doseči cene 300 EUR za kilogram amfetamina za vsakogar, ki lahko kupi predhodnike v vrednosti približno 10.000-15.000 EUR, to je cenovni razred, kjer bo začelo biti zabavno :)
 

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enako o 4mmc 1kg, če u izdelan in u kupiti veliko kemikalij stroški 1kg je 300 €
 

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Lahko bi opravili veliko več poslov, če bi pošiljali pošiljke zunaj PL
 

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na poljskem je veliko strank, ki jih ni treba poslati v drugo državo. poslati v drugo državo je veliko več težav pozneje.....
 
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