Question Ako výhodná je syntéza amfetamínu (speedu) na európskom trhu, ktorá začína prekurzorom P2NP?

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Výpočty chemických látok som vykonal podľa chemickej syntézy amfetamínu zdokumentovanej v nasledujúcom videonávode;
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/
Ak je len na získanie 1 kg rýchlosti potrebných 2016,19 g prekurzora (P2NP) a len 2 kg prekurzora stoja 570 EURO, je potrebných aj 3474,8 g borihydridu sodného, len s týmito dvoma chemikáliami je to viac ako 1000 EURO
 

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Hromadní dodávatelia väčšinou a často krájajú jedno kilo s 2-3 kilo kofeínu alebo iných vecí, potom je jeho dodávka zisková.
 

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Je to výhodné pred.

Pri špičkových nákupných cenách sa amfetamín sulfát dá vyrobiť za 300EUR za kilogram, pri nákupe v Európe (NIE čínski dodávatelia) a predávať za 1 800 na voľno.

600 % sa mi zdá ziskové. Nie je potrebné žiadne rezanie ani kecy
 
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rozumie, ale aj, peniaze hovoria.
Ďakujem za vašu odpoveď, šéfe.
 

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Peniaze hovoria! Pre menších chemikov sa môže hodiť zjednotenie pre väčšie objednávky, aby získali dobré hromadné podmienky

Escrow a fóra ako Breaking Bad to môžu umožniť!
 

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Znamená to, že väčšina výrobkov, ktoré pochádzajú napríklad z holandska, sú väčšinou vyrobené množstvom chemikov, všade je veľa zriedených alebo nepodarených vecí. nepamätám si, kedy som v holandskom Amsterdame mohol dostať nezriedené veci, dokonca riedia a-olej (freebase) s alkoholom a predávajú na l.
 

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To je ono, ale hipne situácia s kokaínom je celkom dobrá (pomer cena = kvalita), ale drogy ako mdma a amf sú dosť brakové.
 

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Je smutné, že väčšina amfetamínu, ktorý sa predáva v NL, sa predáva ako vlhká pasta, ktorá je silne narezaná kofeínom. Nie je to bohužiaľ originálny produkt ako amfetamín sulfát.
 

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Áno, ľudia by vôbec mali prestať predávať pastu.

Keby predajcovia na darknete prestali dodávať pastu a zamerali sa len na sulfát, dextrón a tak ďalej, kvalita by sa veľmi rýchlo stala šialene dobrou.
 

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Back in the day when i was a supplier myself, i bought my product in a little more volume then i do these days.
I wanted to stay small tho, so 100g each time was enough.. that costed me 400 at first, but as my supplier moved up the ladder (i think) the price dropped to 160.
That is 1.60 a gram, and i sold for 7,50/10 euro a gram... for me it covered the costs of my own use, and my daily groceries.. bills i payed from my daily job salary, and saved quite alot of money..

Today i have 2 vendors where i can buy for my own use, each with different prices.. by #1 i pay 35 euros for 5 grams, the other one 40/50 euros for the same amount.
#1 has stuff that varies in quality, #2 always top notch quality... not 73% if it is amfetamine sulphate, but if i have to guess close to 65% purity..
(i know both are a bit expensive)

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thing is.. personally i thought the product i got when i was a supplier myself was severely fluctuating in quality, even from the same batch (as i've been told when i complained) It could be really good (and how the stuff appeared and smelled (i know, should not be any smell) was good as well) to almost no effect (shitty soaking wet crap, as viscous as milk, which dried up as a rock hard chalky matter, and burned as a motherfucker)

With the latter i also received complaints from my clients.. so when i got this milky stuff, i decided to do some kitchen experiments with it..
First the normal acetone/isopropyl washing methods and water dissolve test after drying it, but out of 100gr these methods left me with 30 to 40gr of product after...
That was too much to cover the costs, and i did not want to sell the milky stuff anymore, so on a smaller scale for my own testing purposes i did some wild tests with it:

What happens if i would dry that milky stuff on a metal non-rvs sheet? the sheet turned solid black on the spot where i smeared it out. so with no chemistry background at all, i guessed that sulfuric (or any what was in it) acid was the culprit here. so i sprankled some baking soda on it, to even it out a bit.
This caused the sheet not to turn black anymore indeed, but the product was still shit.

Sometimes my supplier gave a bag of caffeine powder with it "so i could cut it myself" when the product was of good quality.
I didn't like to cut the stuff i sold to my clients, so i had quite alot of caffeine still laying around, and sprankled some of that on the shitty stuff which i also sprankled baking soda on.

At first it seemed not to do anything, (and i didn't think some reaction would took place either), so i scooped everything up, and stored it in a plastic container..
Next morning it turned bright orange, and lumped together as big chunks.. I tried to ask it on several fora's that covered chemistry back then, but most of the time i got laughed at, or an instaban because i was talking about amphetamine.

To this day, i still don't know what happened when it turned orange (and it seemed better in quality as well, so i gave it to my closest clients, told them what i did with it, and they confirmed the boost in quality, but disliked the color of it.. (like they should)

So.. this could be the caffeine we felt after it turned orange, but what would have caused it to turn orange.. a color change is a reaction, right?
 

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Z Twitteru G.Pattona

#Amfetamín je jednou z najpopulárnejších syntetických drog a dá sa pomerne ľahko vyrobiť doma v kuchyni alebo v garáži. Vypočítajme, koľko bude stáť jeden kilogram tejto látky z hľadiska nákladov na činidlá za predpokladu, že amfetamín sa získava redukciou Al/Hg #P2NP.

Náklady na činidlá boli prevzaté z #BB_Listings (#BB_Forum).
1 kg 1-fenyl-2-nitropropénu (#P2NP); - 250 EUR
10 kg izopropylalkoholu (IPA); - 90 EUR (5 l - 45 EUR)
5 kg ľadovej kyseliny octovej (AcOH); - 75 EUR (1 l - 15 €)
1,2 kg hliníka (predrezané listy Al fólie); - 18 €
10 g dusičnanu ortuťnatého (II) (Hg(NO3)2); - 65 €
5 kg Hydroxid sodný (NaOH); - 45 € ( Cena: od 1 kg/ 9,00 €)
5 kg acetónu; - 16 € (zo železiarstva Leroy Merlin)
200 g kyseliny sírovej (H2SO4); - 18 € (1000 ml - 89 €)

Po vyčíslení nákladov na činidlá dostaneme náklady 580 € na 1 kg #amfetamínu.
Z 1 kg #P2NP môžeme získať približne ~700 g amfetamín sulfátu. Náklady na 1 kg amfetamín sulfátu sú teda približne ~800 €.

Pri týchto výpočtoch sa nezohľadnil spotrebný materiál, ako sú injekčné striekačky, pH papier, filtračný papier, čistiace prostriedky na sklo, rukavice atď.

Zoznam potrebných činidiel je vypočítaný len pre 1 kg #P2NP.

V prípade desaťnásobného zvýšenia množstva nakupovaných činidiel sa náklady na syntézu môžu znížiť o 50 %.

Laboratóriá, ktoré nakupujú metrické tony činidiel na syntézu a používajú priemyselné zariadenia, znížia náklady na #amfetamín sulfát na približne 150 EUR za 1 kg.

Zdroj @G.Patton
 
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Dobrá analýza cien :)

. Súhlasil by som s cenami za hromadné dodávky, 300-150EUR je veľmi dobré cenové rozpätie, na ktoré sa treba zamerať, a som si istý, že by to bolo možné aj pri obstarávaní produktov v Európe, bez čínskych dodávateľov.
 

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Pokiaľ ide o cestu NaBH4/CuCL2, môžem s istotou povedať, že touto cestou bude možné dosiahnuť ceny 300 EUR za kilogram amfetamínu pre každého, kto môže nakúpiť prekurzory v hodnote približne 10 000 - 15 000 EUR, to je cenové rozpätie, v ktorom to začne byť zábavné :)
 

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to isté o 4mmc 1kg, ak u vyrobené a u kúpiť veľa chemikálií náklady 1kg je 300 €
 

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Mohli by ste urobiť oveľa viac obchodov, keby ste posielali zásielky mimo PL
 

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v poľsku je veľa zákazníkov, ktorí nepotrebujú poslať do inej krajiny. poslať do inej krajiny je oveľa viac problémov neskôr.....
 
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