Question Cik izdevīga ir amfetamīna (spids) sintēze Eiropas tirgū, sākot ar prekursoru P2NP?

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Esmu veicis ķīmisko vielu aprēķinus atbilstoši amfetamīna ķīmiskajai sintēzei, kas dokumentēta šajā video pamācībā;
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/
Ja tikai 1 kg ātruma iegūšanai ir nepieciešami 2016,19 g prekursora (P2NP) un tikai 2 kg prekursora maksā 570 EURO, ir nepieciešami arī 3474,8 g nātrija borihidrīda, tikai ar šīm divām ķīmiskajām vielām tas ir vairāk nekā 1000 EURO.
 

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Masveida piegādātāji lielākoties un bieži vien sagriež vienu kilogramu ar 2-3 kg kofeīna vai citu vielu, tad tā ir rentabla.
 

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Tas ir izdevīgi pirms.

Ar visaugstākajām iepirkuma cenām amfetamīna sulfātu var saražot par 300 EUR par kilogramu, iepērkot Eiropā (NAV Ķīnas piegādātāju), un pārdot par 1 800 EUR vairumā.

600 % man šķiet rentabli. Nav vajadzīga nekāda griešana vai bullshit
 
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saprotams, bet arī nauda runā.
Paldies par atbildi, priekšniek.
 

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Nauda runā! Mazākiem ķīmiķiem var noderēt apvienoties lielākiem pasūtījumiem, lai saņemtu labus vairumtirdzniecības nosacījumus.

Eskorts un tādi forumi kā Breaking Bad to var padarīt iespējamu!
 

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Es Nozīmē, ka lielākā daļa produktu, kas nāk, piemēram, no nīderlandes, lielākoties ir izgatavoti ar daudzu ķīmiķu palīdzību. visur ir daudz atšķaidītu vai neveiksmīgu lietu. neatceros, kad nīderlandē Amsterdamā varēju dabūt nesagrieztu lietu, viņi pat atšķaida a-eļļu (freebase) ar spirtu un pārdod uz litriem.
 

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Thats it, bet hipīgi kokaīna situācija ir diezgan laba (cenas = kvalitātes attiecība), bet tādas narkotikas kā mdma un amph ir diezgan trash.
 

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Skumji, ka lielākā daļa amfetamīna, kas tiek pārdots NL, tiek pārdots kā mitra pasta, kas ir stipri sagriezta ar kofeīnu. Diemžēl tas nav oriģinālais produkts, piemēram, amfetamīna sulfāts.
 

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Jā, cilvēkiem vispār vajadzētu pārstāt pārdot pastas.

Ja pārdevēji darknetā pārtrauktu piegādāt pastas un koncentrētos tikai uz sulfātu, dekstro un tā tālāk, kvalitāte ļoti ātri kļūtu ārprātīgi laba.
 

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Back in the day when i was a supplier myself, i bought my product in a little more volume then i do these days.
I wanted to stay small tho, so 100g each time was enough.. that costed me 400 at first, but as my supplier moved up the ladder (i think) the price dropped to 160.
That is 1.60 a gram, and i sold for 7,50/10 euro a gram... for me it covered the costs of my own use, and my daily groceries.. bills i payed from my daily job salary, and saved quite alot of money..

Today i have 2 vendors where i can buy for my own use, each with different prices.. by #1 i pay 35 euros for 5 grams, the other one 40/50 euros for the same amount.
#1 has stuff that varies in quality, #2 always top notch quality... not 73% if it is amfetamine sulphate, but if i have to guess close to 65% purity..
(i know both are a bit expensive)

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thing is.. personally i thought the product i got when i was a supplier myself was severely fluctuating in quality, even from the same batch (as i've been told when i complained) It could be really good (and how the stuff appeared and smelled (i know, should not be any smell) was good as well) to almost no effect (shitty soaking wet crap, as viscous as milk, which dried up as a rock hard chalky matter, and burned as a motherfucker)

With the latter i also received complaints from my clients.. so when i got this milky stuff, i decided to do some kitchen experiments with it..
First the normal acetone/isopropyl washing methods and water dissolve test after drying it, but out of 100gr these methods left me with 30 to 40gr of product after...
That was too much to cover the costs, and i did not want to sell the milky stuff anymore, so on a smaller scale for my own testing purposes i did some wild tests with it:

What happens if i would dry that milky stuff on a metal non-rvs sheet? the sheet turned solid black on the spot where i smeared it out. so with no chemistry background at all, i guessed that sulfuric (or any what was in it) acid was the culprit here. so i sprankled some baking soda on it, to even it out a bit.
This caused the sheet not to turn black anymore indeed, but the product was still shit.

Sometimes my supplier gave a bag of caffeine powder with it "so i could cut it myself" when the product was of good quality.
I didn't like to cut the stuff i sold to my clients, so i had quite alot of caffeine still laying around, and sprankled some of that on the shitty stuff which i also sprankled baking soda on.

At first it seemed not to do anything, (and i didn't think some reaction would took place either), so i scooped everything up, and stored it in a plastic container..
Next morning it turned bright orange, and lumped together as big chunks.. I tried to ask it on several fora's that covered chemistry back then, but most of the time i got laughed at, or an instaban because i was talking about amphetamine.

To this day, i still don't know what happened when it turned orange (and it seemed better in quality as well, so i gave it to my closest clients, told them what i did with it, and they confirmed the boost in quality, but disliked the color of it.. (like they should)

So.. this could be the caffeine we felt after it turned orange, but what would have caused it to turn orange.. a color change is a reaction, right?
 

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No G.Patton Twitter

#Amfetamīns ir viena no populārākajām sintētiskajām narkotikām, un to ir diezgan viegli pagatavot mājās virtuvē vai garāžā. Aprēķināsim, cik reaģentu izmaksu izteiksmē izmaksās viens kilograms šīs vielas, ja amfetamīns tiek iegūts ar Al/Hg #P2NP reducēšanu.

Reaģentu izmaksas tika ņemtas no #BB_Listings (#BB_Forums).
1 kg 1-fenil-2-nitropropēna (#P2NP); - 250 EUR
10 kg izopropilspirta (IPA); - 90 euro (5 l - 45 euro).
5 kg ledus etiķskābes (AcOH); - 75 euro (1 l - 15 euro)
1,2 kg alumīnija (iepriekš sagrieztas Al folijas loksnes); - 18 euro
10 g dzīvsudraba (II) nitrāta (Hg(NO3)2); - 65 euro
5 kg nātrija hidroksīds (NaOH); - 45 € (cena: no 1 kg/€9,00)
5 kg acetona; - 16 € (no Leroy Merlin datortehnikas veikala)
200 g sērskābes (H2SO4); - 18 € (1000 ml - 89 €)

Pēc reaģentu izmaksu aprēķināšanas iegūstam 580 € par 1 kg #amfetamīna izmaksas.
No 1 kg #P2NP mēs varam iegūt aptuveni ~700 g amfetamīna sulfāta. Tādējādi 1 kg amfetamīna sulfāta izmaksas ir aptuveni ~800 €.

Šajos aprēķinos nav ņemti vērā tādi palīgmateriāli kā šļirces, pH papīrs, filtrpapīrs, stikla trauku mazgāšanas līdzekļi, cimdi utt.

Nepieciešamo reaģentu saraksts ir aprēķināts tikai 1 kg #P2NP.

Desmitkārtīgi palielinot iepirkto reaģentu daudzumu, sintēzes izmaksas var samazināt par 50 %.

Laboratorijas, kas iepērk metriskās tonnas sintēzes reaģentu un izmanto rūpnieciskās iekārtas, samazina #amfetamīna sulfāta izmaksas līdz aptuveni 150 EUR par 1 kg.

Avots @G.Patton
 
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Laba analīze par cenām :)

Es piekrītu cenām par beramkravām, 300-150EUR ir ļoti labs cenu diapazons, uz ko tiekties, un esmu pārliecināts, ka tas būtu pat iespējams, iegādājoties produktus eiropā, bez ķīniešu piegādātājiem.
 

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Attiecībā uz NaBH4/CuCL2 ceļu varu droši apgalvot, ka, izmantojot šo ceļu, būs iespējams sasniegt 300 EUR par kilogramu amfetamīna cenu ikvienam, kas var iegādāties prekursorus aptuveni 10 000 - 15 000 EUR vērtībā, tas ir cenu diapazons, kurā tas sāks kļūt interesanti. :)
 

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tas pats par 4mmc 1kg, ja u izgatavots un u pērk daudz ķimikāliju, 1kg maksā 300€.
 

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Jūs varētu veikt daudz vairāk darījumu, ja sūtītu ārpus PL
 

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Polijā ir daudz klientu, kuriem nav nepieciešams sūtīt uz citu valsti. sūtīt uz citu valsti ir daudz vairāk problēmu vēlāk......
 
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