Quali sono i rischi potenziali dell'ordinazione di precursori?

[abis777]

Salve, vorrei fare il mio primo ordine di precursori e mi chiedevo quali sono i rischi degli ordini online (coinvolgimento della polizia). Immagino che il rischio sia determinato al 90% dal metodo del venditore, ma non ne so molto. Qual è la vostra esperienza e le vostre convinzioni sugli ordini online? E magari avete qualche consiglio per farlo nel modo più sicuro possibile. Grazie in anticipo

 

[Dr. MMX]

La polizia non è stupida ma è lenta, con risorse limitate e deve giocare con la legge.

 

[DieYoung]

Ho comprato dei per 4 anni ho solo una brutta esperienza solo su ordine dal Regno Unito, ho oreder betten 25 o 50 timens e i miei ultimi due ordini non arrivano per me il 99% sefe ordine su internet spero che evrythinks gona andare come allWAYS

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

In quale Paese vi trovate?

 

[abis777]

paese balcanico

 

[HIGGS BOSSON]

Il problema principale dell'acquisto di reagenti chimici è lo sdoganamento. Se si ordina da un fornitore locale, non dovrebbero esserci problemi. Quando si ordina dall'Asia, è necessario negoziare con il venditore lo sdoganamento della merce. È piuttosto difficile farlo da soli, anche se è possibile se si dispone di una società. È inoltre necessario comprendere lo stato di legalità della merce che si desidera ordinare.

 

[Chemtrail]

Your not gonna be 100% safe and clear
But there's a few ways to reduce risks when buying precursors ..

*Don't buy all the ingredients for the drug all in one shopping order

*Don't be buying more than a 5 gallon of chemicals in a short time interval

*LIST ONE CHEMICALS ARE THE BIGGEST RED FLAG CHEMICALS ... but a small pint or Liter once in a blue moon should be okay

*Do not give your real name nor your real personal home address

*Do not mail precursor chemicals to the same mailing address where you do your clandestine drug cooks

*If you don't trust your fellow friends with your 17-year-old virgin sister, then don't be telling or bragging to any of your friends about your clandestine drug cooks

*Do not sign for packages

*Do not throw away your laboratory trash in front of your home on trash day .. cops can legally pick up your trash to search for criminal evidence .. throw lab trash at a nearby gas station public trash bin

*Take a look at your surrounding neighborhood ..

.. if you feel anything is off like as if you feel like drug law enforcement is investigating you, then stop stop stop laboratory operation for at least a couple months !! It cost money for law enforcement to sit around conducting an investigation and if there's nothing going on for months then law enforcement investigation will just stop


* Here's another thread on Chemical Acquisition

https://bbgate.com/en/threads/chemical-acquisition.16733/

 

[Chemtrail]

When picking up a suspicious package, do not drive straight to your own true real home
or clandestine cook site

Instead, go round n bout. Go off roading, take care of another erron, go to the bar, take the long way home.




Buy package overnight shipping, more expensive but if any prolonged delay then you have reason to be suspicious something is wrong
And it gives less time for law enforcement to fuck with your package

 

[Chemtrail]

Strikes book "Sources"

Clandestine Drug Laboratory by Jack B Nimble

Great books about chemical acquisition, drug police expectations, and chemical precursor + legal relative info ; for an amateur clandestine individual and/or operate a "fake business"



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*Someone should post a thread about "running a fake business"
PLEASE !!
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80% of the time if you tell the science company your a business, then they will "open their arms" for you .

The chemical store outlets won't sell to individuals because it's more of an insurance than just being jack-asses

At first, ask for their catalog list of products, next order simple stuff like a glass beaker and acetic acid. Build a creditential trust before diving in and buying loads of precursors from the start.

Science companies rrreeeaaaallllyyyyyy do want to sell off their products! They want to sell products and make money

The science companies are actually bothered by drug police when asked for sale reports. Those science companies sometimes get threatened close down their science business if there's " some conspiracy connection with drug manufacture" (meth is the biggest target for drug police in the US especially those cold pills)
The science chemical glassware stores get as frustrated as you are Evil Chemist.

The science stores actually DONT try to get you arrested by drug police. It's more of handing off sales reports to the drug police at such a seasonal cycle (by months?)
Of course those List 1 and List 2 are HOT to drug police
There's also a Special Survalence of precursor chemicals


*SOMEBODY START A THREAD ON OPERATING A FAKE BUSINESS*

 

[Chemtrail]

Have someone else buy it for you

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

That is usually a bad idea, unless that someone else is in on the plan and ready and willing to fend off customs/LEO inquiries in case of seized shipments or investigation into the matter. Most people like friends and family are not ready to do that and will fold at the first opportunity, happily providing all the information for whom they were receiving stuff, usually accompanied by "it was weird for them to ask me to receive it and they didn't want to tell me what it was about", because "they don't want no trouble".

My advice is exactly the opposite. Don't involve any more people than absolutely necessary. Most people don't know their rights, the dos and don'ts of talking to LEOs, and they have no real motivation to protect you if it means inconvenience to them, even as small as attending a police interview to answer "No, I've never, don't know, don't know, I have not, I take the 5th".

 

[Chemtrail]

Thank you

So you think it would be better to have "fake synthetic IDs"

Than to have someone else (human peoples)

...speaking for someone not affiliated with a gang group...
In with cooperation of the clandestine project ?

 

[dnBQByvHb8Zkawbjpx]

I prefer using a fake identity to receive sensitive shipments. Private courier companies (DPD, PPL and others) usually provide tracking that is more detailed than what national postal systems provide, and they deliver in a different way as well (here in the EU, anyway). Instead of bringing the parcel to the door they call you on the phone as they approach the delivery address. This allows you to use an address that is not yours, as long as you can show up on the road as soon as they call you. Or you can redirect the parcel to a locker to be collected later without ever meeting the driver. In both instances you can use a fake identity with a fake address (it should be a real, existing address, just not yours). Get a new phone number and a different name for each delivery and you improve your anonymity even further. If the package gets seized or intercepted at the border for an unusual amount of time just burn your phone, the identity and consider the package lost.

 

[Chemtrail]

Chemtrail has just post the reply "∆you stated : quote "Get a new phone number and a different name for each delivery and you improve your anonymity even further." endquote"

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[miner21]

They could be sized. I guess if you order a lot it could open an investigation

 

[Chemtrail]

In the mail business (even international) , Borders and Customs law enforcement and Postal Inspectors are the biggest threat , when it comes to mailing drugs & precursors from point A to point B

Swim assumes "small amounts" (mere paraphernalia to "small" ounce/pound or few hundreds of pills or a liter of drugs or gray-area plants or precursors)
..
*Swim seen on National Geographic TV Postal Inspectors seizing small kinda-legal stuff like dried poppy pods, noorottopics, marijuana buds or seeds, etc.*

Swim assumes that a "love letter" or a legal form stating your drugs are seized
DONT CALL NOR REPLY AT ALL! take it as a fallen failure to receive your goods

Swim assumes most of the time no further police (Borders and Customs LE) investigation, unless you get busted again more and more times and that will increase the likelihood of LE investigation BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR MAILING ADDRESS and name IS IN TROUBLE HOT WITH THE BORDERLAND AND CUSTOMS LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASE - consider that address and name dead

SOLUTION: use a different address and name to buy from the previous drug/precursor company. Then your good

..The legal Postal Inspectors team up in a room to see if the "small" amount of drugs/precursors is worth a LE investigation or not

It takes money and time and paperwork to be worth of an investigation

Swim assumes that then would be a Controlled Delivery

Assumes undercover law pigs, cameras and gathering evidence, signature for dirty package,etc.

Actually trying to get you arrested, esp. for larger than the "small" package description just described

Utfse and "look before you leap"

 

[Chemtrail]

∆you stated : quote "Get a new phone number and a different name for each delivery and you improve your anonymity even further." endquote

Hm.. swim like this..
Ok
.. if swim was using one fake ID to purchase ALL the glassware, basic OTC chemicals and watched chemicals with the same fake ID name and credit card; that one specific fake ID is gonna get hot ("hot" as in possibly probable cause to be likely evidence for legal trouble) and the Drug Law Enforcement can *unfortunately in the US* trespass your privacy by conducting a criminal investigation by collecting evidence ; such as your sale reports , your bank statements (who, how and by what means that one fake ID obtained the chems), ANY names and addresses would probably be targeted by Drug Law Enforcement
∆Is this correct?

But
But if Swim uses a virtual forwarding mail service (THOSE CLERKS EVEN SIGN FOR THE PACKAGES????) were to have an "Aromatherapy" cover as a legit reason to have the science supplies
What if
What if Swim had fake ID AAA who bought the 24/40 glassware &supplies and an "book on essential oils"
Swim's fake ID AAA also bought benzaldehydes, sassafras oil, heliotropin*AND SOME AROMATHERAPY ACCESSORIES BOUGHT TOGETHER TO LOOK LEGIT* some OTC chemicals (ex. acids, bases, acetone, toluene, drying agents) and other allylbenzene -carrying essential oils

And then , Swim also has another different fake ID BBB
Swims fake ID BBB could just be like a "burner phone"
Swims fake ID BBB will buy the watched chemicals

*The watched chemicals would look suspicious AND DEFINITELY INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD CHANCES OF LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION ; especially the same name, the same address, the same banking system*

Swims fake ID BBB will buy the HgCl2, 30% H2O2, palladium salts, p-benzoquinone, nitroethane, other watched chemicals or make another suspicious purchase before destroying like a "burner phone"

Swim believes the fake ID AAA "as a legit cover for a hobbiest or phony business"
And the fake ID BBB as a "suicidal phantom"
Is a better idea than the first example ??