Synthèse d'amphétamine en un seul pot à partir de P2NP avec NaBH4/CuCl2 (échelle de 1 kg)

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Bonjour à tous. J'ai essayé de fabriquer de l'amphétamine en utilisant cette recette à petite échelle, mais j'ai échoué. Tout semblait correct, après séchage mon produit ressemblait à une poudre blanche avec une teinte de rougeur. S'il s'agissait de sulfate d'amphétamine (ce que j'essayais de faire), le rendement serait de 84%. Le problème, c'est que ce n'est pas de l'amphétamine.

Effets physiologiques
J'ai essayé 20-30 mg, il y a eu une stimulation certaine, mais aussi de la fièvre et, apparemment, une baisse de l'immunité : les deux fois où j'en ai pris pendant plusieurs jours d'affilée, je suis tombé malade avec des infections respiratoires (la première fois, j'ai pensé que c'était une coïncidence). Une autre personne qui l'a pris n'a ressenti aucune stimulation à partir de 90 mg, seulement une sécheresse buccale. Aucun de nous n'a de tolérance aux stimulants.

Tests chimiques
1 g de poudre se dissout complètement dans 10 ml de H2O.
Lorsque j'ai ajouté un excès de solution de NaOH à une masse mesurée de poudre dans un tube à essai, j'ai obtenu un volume à peu près correct de base libre sentant l'ammoniac. J'ai séparé la couche de base libre, je l'ai séchée avec du CaCl2 et j'ai essayé de la titrer avec de l'acide. En conséquence, j'ai mesuré la masse molaire du freebase à environ 171 (et à 135 pour l'amphétamine). Bien que mes mesures n'aient pas été très précises, la différence est encore trop importante pour être expliquée par les seules erreurs de mesure.

Mes écarts par rapport à la procédure

1) Lorsque j'ai ajouté le P2NP, j'ai réalisé que cela allait prendre des heures, alors je me suis impatienté et j'ai immergé la fiole de réaction dans un bain-marie à température ambiante. Après cela, j'ai pu ajouter le P2NP presque en une seule fois, et la température du mélange n'a pas dépassé 40-50 °С.
2) J'ai suivi la vidéo, donc je n'ai pas évaporé l'IPA et j'ai ajouté de l'acide sulfurique conc. à la couche d'IPA/freebase directement.
3) Je n'avais pas d'acétone à ce moment-là, donc je ne l'ai pas ajouté avant d'acidifier et j'ai lavé la pâte filtrée de "sulfate d'amphétamine" avec de l'IPA.
4) L'IPA étant moins volatile que l'acétone, j'ai dû mettre mon précipité dans un four pendant plusieurs heures pour le sécher jusqu'à ce qu'il atteigne un poids constant. La température de l'étuve n'a pas dépassé 80 °С.

La grande question est donc de savoir où le problème s'est posé. Je ne serais pas surpris d'un faible rendement ou d'une absence totale de produit, mais obtenir un bon rendement d'une amine qui n'est pas de l'amphétamine ?!
 
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The method as described here lacks all product workup/cleanup and and as such provides a very dirty and unclean Amphetamine, in special as NasBH4 reductions are all not giving very clean product. Purple MDMA and such.
I know the physiological effects like fever like very well and it is just the missing cleaning trust me.
There are several ways to do the workup, from distillation, normal, vacuum or steam of the base or dissolving the sulfate in water and washing this several times with toluene or petrolether or my favorite: 50/50 mix of petrol ether and Ethylacetate. Then evaporate the water and wash the resulting salt with copious amounts of Acetone and petrol ether as last. Already the simple washings give you a consumable product which does not make you sick like the crap which contains borate salts or else.
 

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Even with the dirtiest amp he would have felt it just fine....guaranteed he got "almost amp" mainly riddled with hydroxylamine. This reaction goes south on people all the time. They have wayyyy too much nabh4 left when it's time to add the copper and with the heat the nanoparticles aggregate and become completely useless as a catalyst....fully useless... and leave semi reduced product. The only way I've been able to get around that is by reducing 1st in methanol/thf to propane then extracting and then using anyone of the zinc/formic acid combos.... for the nitro. Zero Michael addition.
 

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I tried it today, but something must have gone wrong..I followed the instructions exactly, but in the end there is more than there should be. What could have happened? Can anyone give me advice? Can it be cleaned? Thank you for every answer
 

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Please. How do I have a reaction more nabh4? I threw in for 6 hours but still not much nabh4 dissolved. In the end, when I added acid, the whole thing thickened after filtration, a white substance remained, but I suppose it's nabh4.. I followed the instructions I don't know what's wrong.
 

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My mescaline guide might help for 1 or 2 mol amounts. Possibly up to 500 g+ in a 20 L reaction vessel.

The same procedure for P2NP as with Mescaline nitrostyrene, however I do not know if it is more reactive. Have not worked with it.

Take a look here:

Or posted here (if starting from benzaldehyde):
 

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My friend and I always cooked amphetamine in the forest.
That is, for synthesis we really only needed 3 construction basins, Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons that show the reaction.

My role was always bring and serve, but we produced this product of 99.8% purity.
We had no competition in Moscow :/
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we didn't use fucking acetone because it's bad for your health
 
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What is the salt of amphetamine present on this photos?
 
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At one point in Russia, they suddenly cut off the liquid propen supply—left a bunch of wannabe cooks totally clueless. Product turned out nasty as hell, colors ranging from sketchy pinks to filthy yellows and straight-up horrifying oranges. But my homie was different—he was one of the few who knew the synthesis inside and out. Back in the day, he cooked pristine pervitin for the whole block, but dude got busted—hit him with a solid 20-year stretch. Luckily there’s a war poppin' off, so he'll probably get tossed onto the front lines and bounce back home early. Then we'll pick right back up where we left off.
 

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but you say "...3 construction basins, Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons..." and in your list of reagents only hydrochloric acid
 

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I can hit him up and get the full cook recipe—it's fuckin' one-of-a-kind.
 

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in this synthesis using only this reagents "...Phenyl-nitropropene, several boxes of mercury thermometers, hydrochloric acid, gasoline and some special ribbons..." amp sulfate cannot be obtained.

with hydrochloric acid obtain amp hydrochloride
with sulphuric acid obtain amp sulphate
 

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Your reagents list remind different synthesis way (Al/Hg approach). Why did you write this post under NaBH4 method? It's, also, interesting about HCl and sulphate salt.
 
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