Question Προσπαθούσα να θυμηθώ έναν μάγειρα της κατσαρόλας. Νομίζω ότι το βρήκα σωστά, μπορεί κάποιος να βοηθήσει;

[chewie12321]

Ok its been a while since I have went over all this knowledge but I am here and makeing sure that I have the detailed recie[t correct s back in the day I dabled in the manufacturing of some things and the one that i learned well was meth i learned anhidris amonia dope red ad black and other cold cook one that I was going to just try for the simple face of confence of not having to go to a dealer and get anything just take care of my habbits and thats it but im stuck on the detais.

1 ουγγιά NitroMethane GaI
2 λυκίσκος νούμερο 9 gun blueing 7 ουγγιές
3 ράβδοι συγκόλλησης με πορτοκαλί άκρες για την νιτσόλα
4 ? Νομίζω ότι υπάρχει ενεργοποιημένη ανθρακιά, αλλά δεν είμαι σίγουρος.
5 ταινία καπάκι προς τα κάτω σφιχτά μαγειρέψτε σε υψηλή θερμοκρασία για 12 ώρες και στη συνέχεια αφήστε το να καθίσει και να κρυώσει για 12 ώρες

όταν γίνει υπάρχουν δύο στρώματα το ένα είναι το πάνω στρώμα το οποίο είναι όλη η μεθαμφεταμίνη που πρέπει να κοπεί από το κάτω μέρος πετάξτε το κάτω στρώμα και βεβαιωθείτε ότι δεν θα μπει καθόλου στο κρύσταλλο σας ο αερ μπορεί να είναι δηλητηριώδης

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Μπα, ρε φίλε αυτό μου ακούγεται σαν συνταγή για χορδή ντόπα, νομίζω όμως ότι η σφηκοφωλιά έχει περισσότερο χτύπημα για τα λεφτά σου🫣, μου κάνει εντύπωση που δεν ανακαλύφθηκε νωρίτερα. Είσαι εκεί έξω και χτύπησες μια σφηκοφωλιά και είναι τσαντισμένες! Το έχεις όμως, bugbzapper, σπρέι σφήκα, λίγο cross-fire.....
Για να είμαστε σίγουροι, όχι, αυτό δεν κάνει τίποτα. Μια τρύπα στο πορτοφόλι σου ίσως.
Στην πραγματικότητα, αυτά είναι πολλά νιτρικά άλατα που συμβαίνουν, θα μπορούσε να είναι μια εξαιρετικά ενεργητική αντίδραση.
Μπα, ποιος θα το φανταζόταν, το μπλουζάρισμα των όπλων είναι αλατόπετρα. Το αλατόπετρο είναι πολύ χρήσιμο.

 

[mycelium]

Yess sir it is, a little salt peter, a little charcoal, and some sulfur from the grow store, gnome same?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Ακολουθούν ορισμένα συστατικά του καθαριστικού για οπές όπλων Hoppe's No. 9:
Ισοβουτάνιο: 1000 ppm
Κεροζίνη: 800 ppm
Αιθανόλη: 100 mg/m³
Ολεϊκό οξύ: 1000 ppm
Κιτρονελλάλη: 100 ppm
Υδροξείδιο του αμμωνίου: Λιγότερο από 1%
(R)-p-μέντα-1,8-διένιο: Λιγότερο από 1%
1,8-σινεόλη: Λιγότερο από 1%

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

Εντελώς μια συνταγή για ναρκωτικές ουσίες με σπάγκο από το σπίτι της φυλακής. Είναι αρκετά αστείο όταν όλα τα "καλά παιδιά" από το νότο έρχονται και κάνουν φυλακή στα βορειοανατολικά, όλοι φέρνουν αυτή την ιστορία για το πώς είναι μια συμμορία μοτοσικλετιστών που είναι ο βασιλιάς της μεθαμφεταμίνης. Θυμάμαι στις αρχές της δεκαετίας του 20, να με διασκεδάζει ένας συγκρατούμενός μου από τη Φλόριντα που "έφτιαχνε και πουλούσε κιλά μεθαμφεταμίνης" σύμφωνα με την περίφημη τεχνική "string dope". Πιθανόν να την έχω ακόμα κάπου γραμμένη, με ακριβείς λεπτομέρειες και αναλογίες. Αυτή ήταν η πρώτη φορά που το άκουσα... Έχω ακούσει διαφορετικές παραλλαγές από μερικούς διαφορετικούς ανθρώπους με τα χρόνια, αλλά η γενική ιδέα είναι η ίδια. Γνωρίζοντας αυτά που ξέρω τώρα, είναι αρκετά αστείο όταν οι άνθρωποι προσπαθούν να μου μιλήσουν γι' αυτό σαν να ξέρουν κάτι που δεν ξέρει κανείς άλλος - σαν να έχουν αυτόν τον άσσο στο μανίκι που μπορούν να βγάλουν και να κάνουν μια περιουσία με αυτόν όποτε χρειάζονται μια ανάσα. Απλά πρέπει να περιμένω ένα μήνα για να αντιδράσει το ενυδρείο που έθαψα γεμάτο με άνθρακα φίλτρου και μπλέντιση όπλων και να φυτρώσει πάγος σε όλες τις χορδές. ...ή μήπως ήταν 12 ώρες; Μετά από "μαγείρεμα σε υψηλή θερμοκρασία" για 12 ώρες... χμμμ... οτιδήποτε.... θα αρχίσει να μεγαλώνει μια από αυτές τις μέρες...
Όπως και να 'χει, θα τραγουδάω το "we're in the money..." σε χρόνο μηδέν...

 

[InnocentBystander23]

Το ίδιο συμβαίνει και στη δυτική ακτή, αδελφέ μου!!!

 

[tetr000]

Χαχα Το λατρεύω αυτό. Πρώτη φορά ακούω γι' αυτό συγκεκριμένα, αλλά μπορώ να ταυτιστώ.

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

Για να είστε σίγουροι παιδιά, το κορίτσι Nitromethan δεν θα έρθει σε αυτό το πάρτι, ακόμα κι αν η Nicole παίρνει πορτοκαλί συμβουλές. Ποιος ενεργοποίησε το charchole και τι σημαίνει αυτό το 3ven; Αυτό το πράγμα είναι ένα θηρίο αφού διαχωριστεί, πρέπει να κόψεις τα στρώματα.

 

[mycelium]

Lmao, I was wanting to meet nitromethane gal
that pussy would be the bomb!

 

[mycelium]

I heard about that shit in prison down south, and I said "you know that's not how drugs are made, right?

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

I saw a report form as police office where they were trying to track down the origin of these legends and they were selling pseudoephedrine to junkies and telling them it was meth and asking them if it was anygood, and they mostltly said things like "it's got a little kick, this string dope aint ass strong as meth, but itll get you high, there's something to it, it's got legs" and shit like that. These mother fuckers don't have a tooth in thier head, 25 years old, dropped out f H.ZS. sophmore year, working on a hog farm.....our government gave the Chinese some ungodly amount of money to improve their education section. What the fuck is wrong with these people? There's 1000's of Americans who can barely read and write, and were funding Chinese education?! When I was 19 or 20 and went into prison, I was the only person at intake who got every question right on the entrance test, out of 320 people (you had to "do a workbook" for every question you got wrong, that is the prison educationn plan. get a GED if you can).. I think there was only 1-2 other people who graduated high school. That's the state of American education. well, that was the state 25 years ago and I don't think its improved.

 

[mycelium]

It hasn't.
If you've ever seen the movie 'idiocracy' where everyone thinks that dude is the smartest person in the world, that's like me in prison...everyone thought I was a genius because I could do 4x4 in my head....

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

There is actually something to it. I mean, there might have been at one time, anyway. Some things that may have been common sense or otherwise helpful might have been omitted and forgotten over time. Like the game telephone, this recipe has probably broken way down over the years of being passed on. It might not have been a recipe for meth HCl but maybe some kind of strange 'one-pot' tek for an OTC Henry reaction for P2P or P2NP or something. An incomplete or a part of a whole.
I think - if anything - at one point, the ingredients in some particular products might have made it possible to do a large scale batch and get a yield of something useful towards making meth along one of these routes. After spending so much time researching how to figure it out for myself, I believe that was how I noticed, all the particular ingredients and procedure conform to similar pattern.
Again it almost makes sense if you look back and think some products may have had this or that in it at one time, or if you add one or two things to it, *maybe* it *could* work?

Yea, I remember thinking this going through my grandpas workshop of old paint cans and other shit from the 70's and 80's and looking at all the ingredients in the products...

 

[Osmosis Vanderwaal]

That sounds about right, there are 1000's of drugs you have never even heard of, they were prescription drugs in the 40's and 50's or maybe they naver made it out of testing ect. There are a ton of simple drugs, the problem is finding them. If you take the...whatever, out of bertel nuts, a grignard reagent will turn it into 4-5 drugs, each a little different depending on what exact grignard you used. There are abundant plants that have chemicals that are phenylethylamines, but they aren't active, but they are 1 step from being active and are completely ignored. There are 15 species of plant that produce small amounts of cocaine and there is even a plant you have never heard of that produces as much cocaine as Erythoxylum coca or novagratense, hardly anyone knows a damn thing about it

 

[mycelium]

Will you tell us, or is it a secret?

 

[mewnmewamine]

No idea about any plant that produces as much as erythoxylum coca or novagratense other than other plants in the genus (eg; var. ipadu or truxillense)

Does seem possible maybe other though i have my doubts seeing as the enzymes MecgoR and CS are unique to the erythoxylum genus however if he can show it id love to know more.

The biosynthetic pathway of solanaceae and erythoxylum have been proven to of evolved separately
(Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. 109 (26): 10304–9)
That would of been the genus that produces the closest compounds to cocaine with that ruled out i dont see many other possibilities enlighten us osmosis.


TLDR; Calling bullshit nut up or shut up osmosis.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

We know there are dozens of other plants that have dozens of other active alkaloids, don't we guys? Of course, there are all sorts of distant relatives and cousins of the coca plant. I don't think they are plants we would be able to forage for in NA anyhow. NA Sass albidum isn't the only plant on earth that contains safrole. ...and so on. These aren't the easiest things to find references and things for either.

 

[mewnmewamine]

Yes but it is the only genus to contain the enzyme MecgoR responsible for reducing methyl ecognone to methyl ecognine and cocaine synthase for methyl ecognine ---> cocaine

If the plants dont contain the enzymes they cant make it the other plants that also produce safrole unsurprisingly also contain the same enzymes.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

I see your point. Apparently it is a secret too. Uncle Osmo likes to do this. ;]

 

[whirlwind]

I knew about this when I was younger. It's a way to make meth that is more friendly to apartments or hotels and something about the pressure exerting on the reaction produced this like golden, syrupy yellow reaction mixture, much deeper in color than any not from a pressure cooker.
YOu go to La cer d' table or something like that, it's a high end kitchen store and they had these huge, tall pressure cookers that had 6-9 twist down clamps around the lid to keep it on. The procedure is less exciting though.
1. Get a 1 gallon fuel can from the gas station and pivot it so its on its side where you can see the bottom corner directly through the lid spout. Pour your I2 down there so that it settles on that specific side of the bottom of the can. Next, slowly do something of the opposite, pivoting it so that while the I2 stays on the other side you've also lifted the other side where you carefully pour all your hypo. With this, if your careful and brave you've managed to put both reactants in the gas can without allowing them to mix yet. Quickly screw down the gas lid, once its on shake that bitch a good few times and toss her like 20 feet away. It'll fume a little, puff up like a marshmellow and appear like it's gonna pop at any moment but after an hour you can easily remove the lid, theres no pressure, and pour out the HI acid into a mason jar.
2. Put the holder thing into the pressure cooker that allows you to put mason jars around it in a circle without letting them falll over. Divide your pse amongst your jars and your HI into those as welll. It doesn't react when put on the pse so its chill now.
3. Screw the mason jar lids on tight and put a good amount of water in the cooker. Screw down the lid and put it on the stove for like 20-26 hours.
It's allow the reactions in each jar and when they come out the rx looks crazy thick but following that its all the same.
Just a way to make it more family friendly or urban friendly I guess. I always liked the product better than others but its a little time consuming and industrial pressure cookers, while looking less suspicious than glassware, do stand out.

 

[SoldadoDeDrogas]

An interesting take on making HI for certain.