Question Hvor rentabel er syntesen af amfetamin (speed) på det europæiske marked ved at starte med forstadiet P2NP?

antrax

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Jeg har foretaget beregningerne af kemikalierne i henhold til den kemiske syntese af amfetamin, der er dokumenteret i den følgende videovejledning;
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/
Hvis der kun kræves 2016,19 g forløber (P2NP) for at opnå 1 kg hastighed, og kun 2 kg af forløberen koster 570 euro, kræves der også 3474,8 g natriumborihydrid, kun med disse to kemikalier er det mere end 1.000 euro.
 

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Masseleverandører skærer for det meste og ofte et kilo med 2-3 kilo koffein eller andre ting, så er det rentabelt.
 

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Det er rentabelt før.

Med de bedste indkøbspriser kan amfetaminsulfat produceres for 300 EUR pr. kilo, når det købes i Europa (INGEN kinesiske leverandører) og sælges for 1.800 i løs vægt.

600 % lyder rentabelt for mig. Ingen opskæring eller bullshit nødvendig
 
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Forstået, men også penge taler.
Tak for dit svar, chef.
 

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Penge er vigtige! For mindre kemikere kan det være praktisk at gå sammen om større ordrer for at få gode bulkbetingelser.

Escrow og fora som Breaking Bad kan gøre dette muligt!
 

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Jeg mener, at de fleste produkter, der kommer fra for eksempel Holland, for det meste er lavet af en masse kemikere, og der er en masse fortyndede eller mislykkede ting. jeg kan ikke huske, hvornår jeg var i stand til at få uklippede ting i Holland Amsterdam, de fortynder endda a-olie (freebase) med alkohol og sælger pr. liter.
 

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Det er det, men kokainsituationen er ganske god (forholdet mellem pris og kvalitet), men stoffer som mdma og amph er ret usle.
 

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Det er trist, at det meste amfetamin, der sælges i Holland, sælges som våd pasta, der er kraftigt tilsat koffein. Det er desværre ikke det originale produkt som amfetaminsulfat.
 

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Ja, folk burde holde op med at sælge pasta i det hele taget.

Hvis sælgerne på det mørke net holdt op med at levere pasta og kun fokuserede på sulfat, dextro og så videre, ville kvaliteten meget hurtigt blive vanvittig god.
 

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Back in the day when i was a supplier myself, i bought my product in a little more volume then i do these days.
I wanted to stay small tho, so 100g each time was enough.. that costed me 400 at first, but as my supplier moved up the ladder (i think) the price dropped to 160.
That is 1.60 a gram, and i sold for 7,50/10 euro a gram... for me it covered the costs of my own use, and my daily groceries.. bills i payed from my daily job salary, and saved quite alot of money..

Today i have 2 vendors where i can buy for my own use, each with different prices.. by #1 i pay 35 euros for 5 grams, the other one 40/50 euros for the same amount.
#1 has stuff that varies in quality, #2 always top notch quality... not 73% if it is amfetamine sulphate, but if i have to guess close to 65% purity..
(i know both are a bit expensive)

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thing is.. personally i thought the product i got when i was a supplier myself was severely fluctuating in quality, even from the same batch (as i've been told when i complained) It could be really good (and how the stuff appeared and smelled (i know, should not be any smell) was good as well) to almost no effect (shitty soaking wet crap, as viscous as milk, which dried up as a rock hard chalky matter, and burned as a motherfucker)

With the latter i also received complaints from my clients.. so when i got this milky stuff, i decided to do some kitchen experiments with it..
First the normal acetone/isopropyl washing methods and water dissolve test after drying it, but out of 100gr these methods left me with 30 to 40gr of product after...
That was too much to cover the costs, and i did not want to sell the milky stuff anymore, so on a smaller scale for my own testing purposes i did some wild tests with it:

What happens if i would dry that milky stuff on a metal non-rvs sheet? the sheet turned solid black on the spot where i smeared it out. so with no chemistry background at all, i guessed that sulfuric (or any what was in it) acid was the culprit here. so i sprankled some baking soda on it, to even it out a bit.
This caused the sheet not to turn black anymore indeed, but the product was still shit.

Sometimes my supplier gave a bag of caffeine powder with it "so i could cut it myself" when the product was of good quality.
I didn't like to cut the stuff i sold to my clients, so i had quite alot of caffeine still laying around, and sprankled some of that on the shitty stuff which i also sprankled baking soda on.

At first it seemed not to do anything, (and i didn't think some reaction would took place either), so i scooped everything up, and stored it in a plastic container..
Next morning it turned bright orange, and lumped together as big chunks.. I tried to ask it on several fora's that covered chemistry back then, but most of the time i got laughed at, or an instaban because i was talking about amphetamine.

To this day, i still don't know what happened when it turned orange (and it seemed better in quality as well, so i gave it to my closest clients, told them what i did with it, and they confirmed the boost in quality, but disliked the color of it.. (like they should)

So.. this could be the caffeine we felt after it turned orange, but what would have caused it to turn orange.. a color change is a reaction, right?
 

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Fra G. Pattons Twitter

#Amfetamin er et af de mest populære syntetiske stoffer og er ret nemt at lave hjemme i et køkken eller en garage. Lad os beregne, hvor meget et kg af dette stof vil koste i form af reagensomkostninger, forudsat at amfetamin opnås ved Al/Hg #P2NP-reduktion.

Reagensomkostningerne er taget fra #BB_Listings (#BB_Forum).
1 kg 1-Phenyl-2-nitropropen (#P2NP); - 250€.
10 kg isopropylalkohol (IPA); - 90 Euro (5 l - 45 €)
5 kg Glacial eddikesyre (AcOH); - 75 Euro (1L - 15 €)
1,2 kg aluminium (forudskårne Al-folieplader); - 18 €.
10 g Kviksølv(II)-nitrat (Hg(NO3)2); - 65 € (1L - 15 €)
5 kg Natriumhydroxid (NaOH); - 45 € (Pris: fra 1 kg/€9,00)
5 kg Acetone; - 16 € (fra Leroy Merlin isenkræmmer)
200 g svovlsyre (H2SO4); - 18 € (1000 mL - 89 €)

Efter beregning af reagensomkostningerne får vi 580 € pr. 1 kg #amfetamin.
Vi kan få ca. 700 g amfetaminsulfat fra 1 kg #P2NP. Omkostningerne til 1 kg amfetaminsulfat er således ca. 800 €.

I disse beregninger er der ikke taget højde for forbrugsstoffer som sprøjter, pH-papir, filterpapir, rengøringsmidler til glasvarer, handsker osv.

Listen over nødvendige reagenser er kun beregnet for 1 kg #P2NP.

I tilfælde af en tidobbelt stigning i mængden af indkøbte reagenser kan synteseomkostningerne reduceres med 50 %.

Laboratorier, der køber tonsvis af syntesereagenser og bruger industrielt udstyr, reducerer omkostningerne til #amfetaminsulfat til ca. 150 € pr. 1 kg.

Kilde @G.Patton
 
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Natriumborhydrid?
 

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Dette er reagenser til syntese via Al/Hg.
Natriumborhydrid bruges i p2np/NaBH4/CuCl2-ruten, og den samlede pris vil variere.
 
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God analyse af priserne :)

Jeg er enig i priserne for bulk, 300-150 EUR er et meget godt prisinterval at sigte efter, og jeg er sikker på, at dette endda ville være muligt, når man køber produkter i Europa uden kinesiske leverandører.
 

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Med hensyn til NaBH4/CuCL2-ruten kan jeg med sikkerhed sige, at det med denne rute vil være muligt at opnå priser på 300 EUR pr. kilo amfetamin for alle, der kan købe forstadier til en værdi af omkring 10.000 - 15.000 EUR, og det er i dette prisleje, at det begynder at blive sjovt. :)
 

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det samme om 4mmc 1kg hvis du har lavet og du køber en masse kemikalier koster 1kg 300€
 

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Du kunne gøre så meget mere forretning, hvis du ville sende uden for PL
 

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i polen er der mange kunder, der ikke har brug for at sende til andre lande. at sende til andre lande er meget mere problematisk senere.....
 
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