Question ¿Qué rentabilidad tiene la síntesis de anfetamina (speed) en el mercado europeo a partir del precursor P2NP?

antrax

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He realizado los cálculos de los productos químicos según la síntesis química de la anfetamina documentada en el siguiente videotutorial;
http://bbzzzsvqcrqtki6umym6itiixfhni37ybtt7mkbjyxn2pgllzxf2qgyd.onion/threads/one-pot-amphetamine-synthesis-from-p2np-with-nabh4-cucl2-1kg-scale.70/
Si sólo para obtener 1kg de speed se necesitan 2016,19 g de precursor (P2NP) y sólo 2kg del precursor cuestan 570 EURO, también se necesitan 3474,8 g de borohidruro de sodio, sólo con esos dos productos químicos son más de 1.000 EURO
 

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Los proveedores masivos suelen y suelen cortar un kilo con 2-3kilos de cafeína u otras cosas, entonces es rentable.
 

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Antes es rentable.

Con precios de compra de primera se puede producir sulfato de anfetamina por 300EUR el kilo, comprando en Europa (SIN proveedores chinos) y venderlo por 1.800 a granel.

600% me parece rentable. Sin cortes ni chorradas
 
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Se entiende, pero también, el dinero manda.
Gracias por su respuesta, jefe.
 

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¡El dinero manda! A los químicos más pequeños les puede venir bien unirse para pedidos más grandes para recibir buenas condiciones a granel

¡Escrow y foros como Breaking Bad pueden hacerlo posible!
 

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La mayoría de los productos que vienen, por ejemplo, de los Países Bajos, son fabricados por muchos químicos, por lo que hay muchos productos diluidos o defectuosos. No recuerdo cuando pude conseguir productos sin cortar en los Países Bajos, en Amsterdam, incluso diluyen el aceite a (base libre) con alcohol y lo venden por litro.
 

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Eso es, pero hipefully la situacion de la cocaina es bastante buena (relacion precio = calidad) pero drogas como mdma y amph son bastante basura.
 

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Es triste que la mayor parte de la anfetamina que se vende en los Países Bajos se venda como pasta húmeda fuertemente cortada con cafeína. Tristemente, no es el producto original como el sulfato de anfetamina.
 

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Sí, la gente debería dejar de vender pasta.

Si los vendedores de la red oscura dejaran de suministrar pasta y se centraran únicamente en sulfato, dextro, etc., la calidad sería increíblemente buena.
 

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Back in the day when i was a supplier myself, i bought my product in a little more volume then i do these days.
I wanted to stay small tho, so 100g each time was enough.. that costed me 400 at first, but as my supplier moved up the ladder (i think) the price dropped to 160.
That is 1.60 a gram, and i sold for 7,50/10 euro a gram... for me it covered the costs of my own use, and my daily groceries.. bills i payed from my daily job salary, and saved quite alot of money..

Today i have 2 vendors where i can buy for my own use, each with different prices.. by #1 i pay 35 euros for 5 grams, the other one 40/50 euros for the same amount.
#1 has stuff that varies in quality, #2 always top notch quality... not 73% if it is amfetamine sulphate, but if i have to guess close to 65% purity..
(i know both are a bit expensive)

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thing is.. personally i thought the product i got when i was a supplier myself was severely fluctuating in quality, even from the same batch (as i've been told when i complained) It could be really good (and how the stuff appeared and smelled (i know, should not be any smell) was good as well) to almost no effect (shitty soaking wet crap, as viscous as milk, which dried up as a rock hard chalky matter, and burned as a motherfucker)

With the latter i also received complaints from my clients.. so when i got this milky stuff, i decided to do some kitchen experiments with it..
First the normal acetone/isopropyl washing methods and water dissolve test after drying it, but out of 100gr these methods left me with 30 to 40gr of product after...
That was too much to cover the costs, and i did not want to sell the milky stuff anymore, so on a smaller scale for my own testing purposes i did some wild tests with it:

What happens if i would dry that milky stuff on a metal non-rvs sheet? the sheet turned solid black on the spot where i smeared it out. so with no chemistry background at all, i guessed that sulfuric (or any what was in it) acid was the culprit here. so i sprankled some baking soda on it, to even it out a bit.
This caused the sheet not to turn black anymore indeed, but the product was still shit.

Sometimes my supplier gave a bag of caffeine powder with it "so i could cut it myself" when the product was of good quality.
I didn't like to cut the stuff i sold to my clients, so i had quite alot of caffeine still laying around, and sprankled some of that on the shitty stuff which i also sprankled baking soda on.

At first it seemed not to do anything, (and i didn't think some reaction would took place either), so i scooped everything up, and stored it in a plastic container..
Next morning it turned bright orange, and lumped together as big chunks.. I tried to ask it on several fora's that covered chemistry back then, but most of the time i got laughed at, or an instaban because i was talking about amphetamine.

To this day, i still don't know what happened when it turned orange (and it seemed better in quality as well, so i gave it to my closest clients, told them what i did with it, and they confirmed the boost in quality, but disliked the color of it.. (like they should)

So.. this could be the caffeine we felt after it turned orange, but what would have caused it to turn orange.. a color change is a reaction, right?
 

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Del Twitter de G.Patton

La #anfetamina es una de las drogas sintéticas más populares y es bastante fácil de fabricar en casa en una cocina o garaje. Calculemos cuánto costará un kg de esta sustancia en términos de costes de reactivos, siempre que la anfetamina se obtenga por reducción de Al/Hg #P2NP.

Los costes de los reactivos se han tomado de #BB_Listings (#BB_Forum).
1 kg de 1-fenil-2-nitropropeno (#P2NP); - 250
10 kg Alcohol isopropílico (IPA); - 90 euros (5 l - 45 euros)
5 kg Ácido acético glacial (AcOH); - 75 euros (1 l - 15 euros)
1,2 kg Aluminio (láminas de Al precortadas); - 18 euros
10 g Nitrato de mercurio (II) (Hg(NO3)2); - 65 euros
5 kg Hidróxido de sodio (NaOH); - 45 € ( Precio: a partir de 1 Kg/€9,00)
5 kg Acetona; - 16 € (en la ferretería Leroy Merlin)
200 g de ácido sulfúrico (H2SO4); - 18 € (1000 mL - 89 €)

Después de calcular el coste de los reactivos, obtenemos el coste de 580 euros por 1 kg de #anfetamina.
Podemos obtener aproximadamente ~700 g de sulfato de anfetamina a partir de 1 kg de #P2NP. Por lo tanto, el coste de 1 kg de sulfato de anfetamina es de unos ~800 euros.

En estos cálculos no se han tenido en cuenta consumibles como jeringuillas, papel pH, papel de filtro, detergentes para cristalería, guantes, etc.

La lista de reactivos necesarios se ha calculado sólo para 1 kg de #P2NP.

Si se multiplica por diez la cantidad de reactivos adquiridos, el coste de la síntesis puede reducirse en un 50%.

Los laboratorios que compran toneladas métricas de reactivos de síntesis y utilizan equipos industriales, reducen el coste del sulfato de #anfetamina a unos 150 euros por 1 kg.

Fuente @G.Patton
 
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¿Borohidruro de sodio?
 

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Se trata de reactivos para la síntesis mediante Al/Hg.
El borohidruro de sodio se utiliza en la ruta p2np/NaBH4/CuCl2 y el precio total variará
 
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Buen análisis de los precios :)

Estoy de acuerdo con los precios al por mayor, 300-150EUR es un rango de precios muy bueno para apuntar y estoy seguro de que esto sería incluso posible cuando el abastecimiento de productos en Europa, sin proveedores chinos.
 

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En cuanto a la ruta NaBH4/CuCL2 puedo decir con seguridad que con esta ruta será posible alcanzar precios de 300EUR por kilo de Anfetamina para cualquiera que pueda comprar precursores por valor de alrededor de 10.000 - 15.000EUR, este es el rango de precios donde empezará a ser divertido :)
 

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lo mismo sobre 4mmc 1kg si u hecho y u comprar un lote productos químicos costo 1kg es de 300 €.
 

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Podría hacer mucho más negocio si enviara fuera de PL
 

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en polonia hay muchos clientes que no necesitan enviar a otro país. enviar a otro país es mucho más problemático después.....
 
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